newman, the american, 85-year-old korean war veteran. do you think from your indications, did he raise that subject? because china is our best tool to get pyongyang to release this man. >> well, i mean, i do think that korea matters a lot. we -- i haven't heard much about the gentleman and how much joe biden advocated on his behalf. regarding kim jong-un's uncle, the consequence for this with china is he was the principle bridge of communication, coordination, and promotion of investment and potentially a china-like model for economic development in north korea. and so to see him demoted and some of his colleagues possibly executed is a matter of great concern here in beijing, which has already begun to take steps in recent months to send signals to north korea it didn't like the direction it was going. china imported very serious export controls on various technology exports to north korea because of its nuclear program. and we've learned that, you know, one of the things that joe biden and xi jinping discussed is the similarity, the mi